I'm hopeless ID,ing away from the garden birds.
They look like Gadwall to me
In pic 1, the bird at the bottom has the typical red-brown/black/white wing bars so it definitely is.
It's not often you see those colours, if that was what was throwing you. You can just see it in this one that was going into eclipse ...
Thanks Gill and Nigel
That bottom one was the one that was throwing me Nigel...cheers